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Ray Comfort has posted on his blog in response to the following question:

“Sorry to hear that you’re unwell. I just wonder, why are you sick? I mean, really. Your irreducibly complex immune system obviously isn’t complex enough to handle the flu, and we all know there’s no evolution to make the virus evolve. Did God create the flu? Is it then part of His “mysterious ways”? I’m actually interested in your answer here (for once, I might add), because you often talk about the big things but rarely about the everyday things. What glorious explanation do you have for the flu?” Nathaniel

Wednesday, March 11, 2009

A question about the flu

“Sorry to hear that you’re unwell. I just wonder, why are you sick? I mean, really. Your irreducibly complex immune system obviously isn’t complex enough to handle the flu, and we all know there’s no evolution to make the virus evolve. Did God create the flu? Is it then part of His “mysterious ways”? I’m actually interested in your answer here (for once, I might add), because you often talk about the big things but rarely about the everyday things. What glorious explanation do you have for the flu?” Nathaniel

When God made Adam and Eve He made them perfect. There was no disease, suffering, pain and death. When they rebelled against Him, He cursed them and the earth, and we now live in what is commonly called a “fallen creation.”

Study the soil for a moment. It naturally produces weeds. No one plants them; no one waters them. They even stubbornly push through cracks of a dry sidewalk. Billions of useless weeds sprout like there’s no tomorrow, strangling our crops and ruining our lawns. Pull them out by the roots, and there will be more tomorrow. They are nothing but a curse.
Consider how much of the earth is uninhabitable. There are millions of square miles of barren deserts in Africa and other parts of the world. Most of Australia is nothing but miles and miles of useless desolate land. Not only that, but the earth is constantly shaken with massive earthquakes. Its shores are lashed with hurricanes; tornadoes rip through creation with incredible fury; devastating floods soak the land; and terrible droughts parch the soil. Sharks, tigers, lions, snakes, spiders, and disease-carrying mosquitoes attack humanity and suck its life’s blood. The earth’s inhabitants are afflicted with disease, pain, suffering, and death.
Think of how many people are plagued with cancer, Alzheimer’s, multiple sclerosis, heart disease, emphysema, Parkinson’s, and a number of other debilitating illnesses. Consider all the children with leukemia, or people born with crippling diseases or without the mental capability to even feed themselves. All these things should convince thinking minds that something is radically wrong. Did God blow it when He created humanity? What sort of tyrant must our Creator be if this was His master plan? Sadly, many use the issue of suffering as an excuse to reject any thought of God, when its existence is the very reason we should accept Him. Suffering stands as terrible testimony to the truth of the explanation given by the Word of God.
But how can we know that the Bible is true? Simply by studying the prophecies of Matthew 24, Luke 21, and 2 Timothy 3. A few minutes of openhearted inspection will convince any honest skeptic that this is no ordinary book. It is the supernatural testament of our Creator about why there is suffering… and what we can do about it. The Bible tells us that God cursed the earth because of Adam’s transgression. Weeds are a curse. So is flu and all other diseases. Sin and suffering cannot be separated.
Again, the Scriptures inform us that we live in a fallen creation. In the beginning, God created man perfect, and he lived in a perfect world without suffering. It was heaven on earth. When sin came into the world, death and misery came with it. Those who understand the message of Holy Scripture eagerly await a new heaven and a new earth “wherein dwells righteousness.” In that coming Kingdom there will be no more pain, suffering, disease, or death. We are told that no eye has ever seen, nor has any ear heard, neither has any man’s mind ever imagined the wonderful things that God has in store for those who love Him (1 Corinthians 2:9). Think for a moment what it would be like if food grew with the fervor of weeds. Consider how wonderful it would be if the deserts became incredibly fertile, if creation stopped devouring humanity. Imagine if the weather worked for us instead of against us, if disease completely disappeared, if pain was a thing of the past, if death was no more.
The dilemma is that we are like a child whose insatiable appetite for chocolate has caused his face to break out with ugly sores. He looks in the mirror and sees a sight that makes him depressed. But instead of giving up his beloved chocolate, he consoles himself by stuffing more into his mouth. Yet, the source of his pleasure is actually the cause of his suffering. The whole face of the earth is nothing but ugly sores of suffering. Everywhere we look we see unspeakable pain. But instead of believing God’s explanation and asking Him to forgive us and change our appetite, we run deeper into sin’s sweet embrace. There we find solace in its temporal pleasures, thus intensifying our pain, both in this life and in the life to come.

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Ray Comfort has an “athiest Bible study” up on his blog that gives Biblical insight into the modern athiest.

Monday, March 2, 2009

Atheist Bible Study

I have been reading the Bible every day (without fail) now for 37 years, and it never ceases to amaze me how it is so contemporary. For instance, Romans 1:18–23 (written nearly 2,000 years ago), perfectly describes the modern atheist–what he believes and why he believes it. Let me show you what I mean.

Verse 18 begins: “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness…” The Scriptures tell us that the issue with the atheist is moral. He maintains that it is intellectual, but the Bible makes it clear that he is offended by the thought of God’s moral government (see Romans 8:7). He knows intuitively that every one of the Ten Commandments is true, but he suppresses that knowledge, and in doing so, calls for God’s just wrath to abide on him (see John 3:36): “ . . . because what may be known of God is manifest in them [via the conscience], for God has shown it to them.”

This is how “God has shown it to them: “For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse . . . ”

The professing atheist is without excuse–because creation reveals that there is a Creator. He doesn’t need anything else. He doesn’t need to have the Bible proven to be the Word of God, or see a miracle, or have God appear in front of him. It is because of this inbuilt understanding that he will be without excuse on Judgment Day. Then the Scriptures give more reasons for the atheist’s just damnation:

“ . . . because, although they knew God [through creation and the conscience], they did not glorify Him as God [they refuse to give God due praise for life itself, and for this incredible creation in which we live], nor were thankful [the sin of ingratitude], but became futile in their thoughts [The Amplified Bible brings out the original Greek language–“But instead they became futile and godless in their thinking with vain imaginings, foolish reasoning, and stupid speculations and their senseless minds were darkened.” Wow, what a perfect description of the stupid speculations of Darwinian evolution, blindly embracing an unsubstantiated, unscientific fairy tale for grownups, because they foolishly think that it deals with the moral dilemma of having to face God], “… and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools [another amazingly perfect description of the atheistic evolutionist. He embraces an imaginary theory that came from the over-fertile mind of a man who was bitter at God because of the loss of his beloved daughter. And so the atheist calls all who don’t believe as he does, an unscientific knuckle-dragger], and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.”

So if you are a professing atheist, please rethink your beliefs. God doesn’t go away just because you don’t believe in Him. You have to face Him on Judgment Day, and you desperately need a Savior. Thanks for joining me in this short study of God’s Word.

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WorldNetDaily has a story that shows just how unchecked public schools and liberalism is in this country.  A Christian student, Jesse Kilgore, who attended Jefferson Community College had his faith challenged by students and a biology professor; supposedly, the professor challenged Jesse to read “The God Delusion” by Richard Dawkins.  The culmination of pressure from his peers, his professor, and the ideas of the book caused Jesse to lose so much of his Christian faith, that he committed suicide.

“But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!” — Matthew 18:6-7

Dad links son’s suicide to ‘The God Delusion’

Says atheism-promoting book hidden under mattress, last page bookmarked


Posted: November 20, 2008

11:10 pm EasternBy Bob Unruh
© 2008 WorldNetDaily


Richard Dawkins

A New York man is linking the suicide of his 22-year-old son, a military veteran who had bright prospects in college, to the anti-Christian book “The God Delusion” by Richard Dawkins after a college professor challenged the son to read it.

“Three people told us he had taken a biology class and was doing well in it, but other students and the professor were really challenging my son, his faith. They didn’t like him as a Republican, as a Christian, and as a conservative who believed in intelligent design,” the grief-stricken father, Keith Kilgore, told WND about his son, Jesse.

“This professor either assigned him to read or challenged him to read a book, ‘The God Delusion,’ by Richard Dawkins,” he said.

Jesse Kilgore committed suicide in October by walking into the woods near his New York home and shooting himself. Keith Kilgore said he was shocked because he believed his son was grounded in Christianity, had blogged against abortion and for family values, and boasted he’d been debating for years.

After Jesse’s death, Keith Kilmore learned of the book assignment from two of his son’s friends and a relative. He searched Jesse’s room and found the book under the mattress with his son’s bookmark on the last page.

A WND message seeking a comment from Dawkins or his publisher was not returned today.

The first inkling of a reason for the suicide came, Keith Kilgore told WND, when one of Jesse’s friends came to visit after word of his son’s death circulated.

“She was in tears [and said] he was very upset by this book,” Keith Kilgore said. “‘It just destroyed him,’ were her words.


Jesse Kilgore

“Then another friend at the funeral told me the same thing,” Keith Kilgore said. “This guy was his best friend, and about the only other Christian on campus.

“The third one was the last person that my son talked to an hour before [he died,]” Keith Kilgore told WND, referring to a member of his extended family whose name is not being revealed here.

That relative, who had struggled with his own faith and had returned to Christianity, wrote in a later e-mail that Jesse “started to tell me about his loss of faith in everything.”

“He was pretty much an atheist, with no belief in the existence of God (in any form) or an afterlife or even in the concept of right or wrong,” the relative wrote. “I remember him telling me that he thought that murder wasn’t wrong per se, but he would never do it because of the social consequences – that was all there was – just social consequences.

“He mentioned the book he had been reading ‘The God Delusion’ by Richard Dawkins and how it along with the science classes he had take[n] had eroded his faith. Jesse was always great about defending his beliefs, but somehow, the professors and the book had presented him information that he found to be irrefutable. He had not talked … about it because he was afraid of how you might react. … and that he knew most of your defenses of Christianity because he himself used them often. Maybe he had used them against his professors and had the ideas shot down.”

He then explained to Jesse his own personal journey of seeking “other explanations of God’s existence” and told of his ultimate return.

“I told him it was my relationship with God, not my knowledge of Him that brought me back to my faith. No one convinced me with facts. … it was a matter of the heart.”

Keith Kilgore believes it was a biology class that raised questions for his son, and a biology professor at Jefferson Community College in Watertown, N.Y., where his son was attending, who suggested the book.

A school spokeswoman told WND that the “God Delusion” was not a part of the biology curriculum, and several of the professors she contacted said they had not even read the book. However, the spokeswoman was unable to contact all of the professors in the department and could not state that none of them had suggested the book to Jesse.

Local police also did not respond to WND inquiries about the investigation into the death.

“One of his friends, and his uncle (they did not know each other) both told me that Jesse called them hours before he took his life and that he had lost all hope because he was convinced that God did not exist, and this book was the cause,” Keith Kilgore told WND.

Keith Kilgore, a retired military chaplain who has dealt with the various stages of grief and readily admits he’s still in the “anger” stage over his son’s death, said his son apparently had checked the “Delusion” out of the college library.

“I’m all for academic freedom,” Keith Kilgore said. “What I do have a problem with is if there’s going to be academic freedom, there has to be academic balance.

“They were undermining every moral and spiritual value for my [son],” he said. “They ought to be held accountable.”

He suggested the moral is for Christians simply to abandon public schools wholly.

“Here’s another thing,” he continued. “If my son was a professing homosexual, and a professor challenged him to read [a book called] ‘Preventing Homosexuality’… If my son was gay and [the book] made him feel bad, hopeless, and he killed himself, and that came out in the press, there would be an outcry.

“He would have been a victim of a hate crime and the professor would have been forced to undergo sensitivity training, and there may have even been a wrongful death lawsuit.

“But because he’s a Christian, I don’t even get a return telephone call,” the father told WND.

He said he tried to verify the book assignment himself several times, without getting a response from the school.

Jesse Kilgore blogged on NetPotion and Newblog, and the writings that remained mostly addressed social ills and how anti-Christian many of the world’s developments appeared to be.

He used the pen name JKrapture because, his father said, “He believed in the rapture, the evangelical concept of the Lord coming back.”

On the Web, Jesse described himself as “conservative and mainly independent. I am a culture warrior and traditionalist. I have been debating since I was in 5th Grade, and never looked back. It is a habit I can’t let go of.”

One of Jesse’s uncles, writing on the same website as Jesse, wrote: “While I knew he was having struggles with his faith, I had no idea that it ran that deep. … There are not enough words to describe how devastated I am at his loss. I know that some of you got to know him pretty well and (since I already started getting some questions about him) felt that you all should know that he is no longer with us.”

From among the online community came these responses: “I am shocked and so sorry for your loss – our loss. My prayers are with you and all of your family at this difficult time,” and “I AM at a loss of words…..I am sooooo sorry to hear your loss. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.”

Keith Kilgore told WND he feels, by allowing his son to move into the atmosphere of a secular school, like “I put a toddler in the front of my car.”

“My son is the Adam Walsh of the culture war. That’s who my son is,” he said, referring to the child abduction victim whose case was used to create a wide range of amber alert and other programs to protect children.

He said he has a wake-up call over the anti-Christian agenda of public education. And he has some goals.

“I want to hold schools accountable for what they’re teaching our kids. This was malpractice,” he said.

Dawkins, considered one of the world’s most outspoken atheists, is a professor in the United Kingdom. He came to prominence in 1976 with his book “The Selfish Gene,” promoting evolution.

In his “Delusion” treatise he claims that a supernatural creator almost certainly does not exist and that faith qualifies as a “delusion” – a fixed false belief.

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Free Market FoundationThe Free Market Foundation blog has a post about the new marketing campaign by atheists from The Humanist Society.  In the comments section below, a Dennis Tucker has made a very valid point, and I would like to repost his unedited response here:

Dennis Tucker Says:
November 13, 2008 at 6:39 pm

My question to the “humanist movement” is this: Why are you trying to remove God from society? Be honest and ask yourself, why? Why does the presence of those that believe in God and hold dearly the ways of God, threaten you so? True Christians have a heart for all humanity and dilegently pray for the well being of all humanity. Why do you have such a strong objection to people that care for you? If you were in trouble, a true Christian would be there to walk thru that trouble with you, if you were sick and bed ridden, a true Christian would be at the bed side with you, if you were hurting and didn’t know what to do, a true Christian would be there to comfort you and pray with if you so desired. Do you have a reasonable explanation why you want to rid our society of the very people that are focused on being what you say you want everyone to be? If the only difference is their belief in God, then why do you hate the idea of a God so much that you want to remove him from our existance? Again, for the well being of you, me and our society, why does my belief in something bigger than myself bother you to this degree? Be honest, think about it and do not answer quickly. I do not wish to take away your right to listen to whatever music you enjoy, or take away your right to enjoy the holiday of haloween, even though it stands for something entirely opposite of what I believe in. Why do you feel that you have to take something away from someone else to be able to be what you desire to be. All I am asking is that you honestly consider the motive of your actions. Remember, whenever it becomes ok to tell someone else what they can do and what they can not do (or believe in) then it becomes a “free for all”. The next person that comes along with a different idea or belief than you, may end up on a mission to take away something that you hold dear. Where is the good in that? If my belief in God and my desire to serve him leads me in the direction of supporting a moral lifestyle and helping better society as a whole, isn’t that unity and not division? We are all mankind, we need to look at each other as our own brother or sister and care about them. Love and caring is the only force that brings people together with any degree of permanacy. Any thing else will eventually divide, createing anger, hatred, division, and ultimately lead all involved in the opposite direction of the way we all want to go. Again, I ask you to examine your motives and your goals and ask yourself, “is this really what we are trying to accomplish, and if it is, do we really want to go down this road”? My closing statement is this, the presence of God in our lives is what holds society together. Look at all the nations that do not reverence God, look at the condition of there society. Just because you don’t believe in God, doesn’t mean he doesn’t exsist. Christopher Columbus, with a hand full of sailors believed that the world was round, everyone else thought he was crazy, just because they just couldn’t understand how that would be possible. I challenge you to study the Word of God (the Bible) for yourself and come to an informed conclusion. If you are right, you have lost nothing except a little time, if I am right and you don’t ever see the reality of the intention of the Word of God, you have lost everything.

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